tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3760137241594753268.post1229784130742669715..comments2024-01-30T08:47:44.544-08:00Comments on Rock Hall Monitors: Predictions for the Class of 2017Philiphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08292012228944104037noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3760137241594753268.post-25746306906454490722016-12-16T20:03:07.419-08:002016-12-16T20:03:07.419-08:003rd Time Yes ends up being in the top 5 on the Fan...3rd Time Yes ends up being in the top 5 on the Fan Ballot. Like out presidential election, if these were decided by the actual POPULAR vote in pure number of Votes, Yes would have been inducted on their 1st nomination. And if they don't get in this year, it will again add to how screwed up the voting process is and the 1/8 of 1% of the vote the hundreds of thousands of votes they received are actually worth.<br /><br />Induct 10 artists every year, Nominate 25.AllMediaReviewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04315260771605880930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3760137241594753268.post-89630716008343356652016-12-16T17:21:48.884-08:002016-12-16T17:21:48.884-08:00Thanks for your input. Again, these are not neces...Thanks for your input. Again, these are not necessarily my arguments, certainly not all the time, but also ones I come across. I don't agree with the coattails argument at all, but it does seem to be an argument that people like to haul out, and it's less ridiculous than the argument that her Superbowl "wardrobe malfunction" disgraces her legacy and thus should keep her out (seriously? Look at who's inducted if you really think that... even Percy Sledge was a tax evader.)<br /><br />As for the vocals, that is mine. It's not every song, but there are several songs where her voice is not the heaviest artillery on the song, which if you're not also playing an instrument (such as Eddie Cochran on guitar or Elton John on piano), is a hindrance to your legacy. That doesn't mean I don't think she's worthy (I ranked her #5 for merits), but it is something that people may keep in mind. <br /><br />Again, thanks for the feedback.Philiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08292012228944104037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3760137241594753268.post-78053566024057010042016-12-16T13:07:04.274-08:002016-12-16T13:07:04.274-08:00I am floored by the argument that being Michael Ja...I am floored by the argument that being Michael Jackson's sister is behind Janet Jackson's fame in the music industry. Name recognition is helpful, but no. If that were the case Latoya Jackson and Rebbie Jackson were also Michael's sisters. The "thing" about Michael and Janet Jackson is they were almost like a male and female version of the same person. Both highly talented, performers and song writers. Having a famous last name argument is an insult to all of the hard work, dedication and commitment Janet has poured into her career over the last three decades. It is also a bit insulting to the Rock Hall definitive 200 album list where Janet has two albums listed. As for her vocals ... listen to Again, Black Cat, and that's just two of many where she showcased her vocals. Janet's music to vocal blend is magic. As for her not showing up if inducted, no way she would let her fans,some of the most loyal in the world, down by not being there unless something beyond her control were to happen. Don't mean to write a book, but the Rock Hall is "The" institution where the greats are, based upon merit.That is why we are so passionate about Janet being inducted. Janet Jackson has earned her spot there, no one has given her anything, she has earned it. In some ways, being Michael Jackson's sister hurt because Janet is VERY independent, and her own person. Her song Control was rooted in the things she was experiencing at the time. I will say this, I am a huge fan of both Janet and Michael Jackson. Janet's album she released last year, Unbreakable, I heard Michael Jackson's voice in a few of the songs. I cried like a baby because I never realized how similar their voices were. In closing this book, seriously Janet should not be punished because she and her brother were both equally talented, and deserving to be there among others legends of rock music. *Please excuse typos/omitted words Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3760137241594753268.post-49459747911340971352016-12-16T05:28:21.710-08:002016-12-16T05:28:21.710-08:00Great analysis and breakdown. It's a bit depr...Great analysis and breakdown. It's a bit depressing, though, because if these predictions hold true it'll be a very predictable (and white!) induction ceremony. At least there might be a female onstage, although I'd prefer it to be Janet Jackson over Joan Baez. <br /><br />I'm holding out hope for some surprises. And also hoping for at least 6 inductees this year. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3760137241594753268.post-75990580758138412632016-12-15T23:49:31.289-08:002016-12-15T23:49:31.289-08:00Brilliant. Thank you :-)Brilliant. Thank you :-)liquidmusehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388982339090959301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3760137241594753268.post-47550926125944816592016-12-15T23:48:21.437-08:002016-12-15T23:48:21.437-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.liquidmusehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388982339090959301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3760137241594753268.post-60711732754005048302016-12-15T19:06:54.510-08:002016-12-15T19:06:54.510-08:00You've got a couple facts skewed and some unte...You've got a couple facts skewed and some untenable assumptions going on. First off, Kraftwerk started appearing on the ballot again before NIN was eligible. Second, the Hall ejected some of the members from the Nominating Committee, not the voting bloc, as far as we know. The reason for the purge from the NomComm was partially about modernizing the ballot and thereby the classes, but also to give the meetings some actual discussion. One member stated that with so many members on the committee, it was basically each member naming their names, and then voting on them. By reducing the number of members, they could actually have discussion about the names mentioned and help craft a stronger ballot. And last year was the first run of that downsizing, and we had a six classic rock acts, which was enough names to potentially keep a class from getting too diverse, which is exactly what happened. As far as we know, the voting bloc keeps growing. In fact, they just added more non-musicians (presumably mostly critics) to counter all the White, guitar band members that were getting induction. The thinking on that has been so that there'd be more racial and gender diversity in the Hall.<br /><br />To more directly answer your question, you've got a misperception of "mainstream and popular." When we say "mainstream and popular," we're not talking about mainstream and popular TODAY, we're talking mainstream and popular about forty years ago. That may have been part of what finally got Donna Summer through the door (that, and her death). There are certain voices in the higher echelons of the Foundation that are thinking primarily about how to get more bodies visiting the museum. Well, the people who are most likely to visit a "Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame And Museum" in Cleveland, Ohio are largely people with a fairly myopic definition of what defines and constitutes "rock and roll," basically people who agree with 90% of what Eddie Trunk says. That's why you have Rush, KISS, Chicago, Deep Purple, and now Journey getting nominated (and inducted most likely with Journey). They were more mainstream, as opposed to critics' darlings like Randy Newman, Los Lobos, and Big Star. And these band are also the acts who are popular with the demographic that the Hall is trying to woo to spend their money on the museum in Cleveland. As far as today's largely electronophonic music goes, I'm pretty sure the current powers-that-be would rather revisit the '60s and '50s before giving any consideration to mainstream artists like Nicki Minaj or Jason Derulo, though Lady Gaga will probably have a pretty easy time getting in. There will probably be some passings on of torches before those acts are eligible, but since it's largely insider, those new voices will be chosen by the old ones, and it won't be because they have new and fresh ideas and perspectives. In fact, just being a pet of Jann and Miami Steve is exactly why I seed the J. Geils Band fifth.<br /><br />Worry not though, Depeche Mode has enough cache even with the staunchest of rockists that now they've been nominated, they'll probably get in at some point, and Kraftwerk is now a matter of when and not if. Philiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08292012228944104037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3760137241594753268.post-12981894817108225342016-12-15T14:28:47.854-08:002016-12-15T14:28:47.854-08:00Genuine question...on a Hall that's trying to ...Genuine question...on a Hall that's trying to get more popular and mainstream, why are Depeche Mode seen as just being in a "small pond"? Isn't today's music almost ALL electronic? DM are the most popular (100 million records and still playing arenas today!) electronic act by far. To me predicting J.Geils Band is just too "inside baseball" of a selection, meaning, I think you're listening too much to the echo chamber of the (old) process. The Hall has thrown out a lot of the old school voters recently, and in fact, my pet theory about why DM and Kraftwerk are on the ballot all of a sudden is because last year Trent Reznor (& modern industry influencer) made a stink (privately) why HE was on the ballot, but not the Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath of the form.liquidmusehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388982339090959301noreply@blogger.com